It is, but I would probably only ever need one box...
Half of which would sit in the back of my ammo safe along with lots of other half-boxes of stuff I had a hankering to try at one time or another!!
Stinkfoot wrote:Stewartyg wrote:mathspete wrote:South Yorkshire will not condition ANY rimfire calibre for foxes, end of story. When out rabbiting with both 22lr and HMR I have had to decline shots on foxes because I want to keep my ticket . However if they happen to wander in front of the 204 or the 250 its goodnight charlie
We are the same here!!
Are you sure?
I had heard the same thing about our police but thought there would be no harm in asking. I had a long conversation with the head of the firearms department about it and, although reluctant at first, I guess he thought I was trustworthy enough to stick to my side of the bargain and granted me conditioning for fox with WMR. I had no intention of asking for fox with HMR but it seemed obvious he wouldn't have agreed to that since his primary concern was muzzle energy. IIRC, he said that 500 ft/lbs was the acceptable minimum for fox.
My argument was that I wasn't looking for a fox calibre, but rather the authority to shoot fox with a rabbit gun if I happen to come across one at close quarters. He asked me to call back in a few hours while he considered my request. I'm pleased to say the answer was yes.
If you don't ask..........
plugg wrote:£28 for 100 rounds?
That is shocking!
Sidebyside wrote:Leadpig is probably right,( though I hate to admit that ) .
Fenrir wrote:It is often better to let people think you are a bit simple rather than removing all doubt.
Bushdog wrote:1 in 9 - yes I've tried the 20gn hollow points on rabbits and to be honest I can't tell a difference from the Vmax.
I would like to try the FMJ bullets that I believe are available - not on animals, but in side by side penetration tests.
TheFoxer wrote:Hi guys, thanks for all the posts! Some were really helpful especially Plugg( a real avid fan of the .17HMR haha) and Buffy. Obviously a topic that causes lots of debate. Anyway looking forward to getting my new CZ 455 zeroed and run in.
Chris
Bushdog wrote:1 in 9, thats very interesting, thanks.
Was the penetration of the FMJs noticeably further (and if so, by how much)?
TheFoxer wrote:Hi guys, thanks for all the posts! Some were really helpful especially Plugg( a real avid fan of the .17HMR haha) and Buffy. Obviously a topic that causes lots of debate. Anyway looking forward to getting my new CZ 455 zeroed and run in.
Chris
Buffy Vampire Slayer wrote:TheFoxer wrote:Hi guys, thanks for all the posts! Some were really helpful especially Plugg( a real avid fan of the .17HMR haha) and Buffy. Obviously a topic that causes lots of debate. Anyway looking forward to getting my new CZ 455 zeroed and run in.
Chris
the main thing is to have safe enjoyable time with your gun
i hope you`ve taken a few of the things said on this thread onboard
PS take no notice of phil (plugg) since he got his .308 there`s been no talking to him
Linegeist wrote:Basically by being a leftie dickhead with the principles and backbone of a week-old kipper
1in9 wrote:The couple we put down exited the block at a slight angle and we didn't find them, it wasn't proper pure clay of course so not a proper test. I have shot a rabbit with the FMJ and it punched a neat hole with limited expansion. Dropped via a headshot I might add.
I'd bought them for range use when I got the gun but it transpired V-max weren't in fact an issue and are much cheaper! They didn't group any better.
Bushdog wrote:1in9 wrote: I'd also agree with anyone who told me there were more effective calibres (e.g. .22 Hornet, as someone has pointed out).
Bushdog wrote:
That's interesting, too. For some reason D & C have specifically excluded me from using my .17HMR for target shooting. Both my .22RFs are conditioned for field and target shooting on ranges, as are my .308s and my .375. But apparently, that deadly little 17 HMR is too lethal to use on a range!?!
I'm very fond of my .17HMR, but agree with all who have commented on its limitation to smaller animals (as it is currently loaded). I have also experienced occasional inconsistent terminal performance, as others have noted, and I recall discussing exactly this issue with a mate in Oz, who had one long before I did.
I believe it could be loaded with a slightly heavier, more solidly constructed soft-point, and actually be an effective close-range fox rifle (say to 120m or so). I doubt there will ever be the commercial stimulus to get such a load in production, though. I'd also agree with anyone who told me there were more effective calibres (e.g. .22 Hornet, as someone has pointed out).
Bushdog wrote:1 in 9 - Its silly, but I don't much care.
I wouldn't want to use the 17HMR on range for competitions - it's too expensive and our club's RF comps restrict them to .22 LR. I have the normal zeroing condition, so can test it, and I have a 100m safe range with a bench set up in my woods, so don't need to take it to a range to zero. If it had been a restriction on me, I would have queried it - I have questioned other random conditions and found the licensing department very accomodating in the past.
247 Sniper - I'm afraid our views on velocity differ, probably due to the type of ground we shoot over. Don't misunderstand - I am not doubting that you are able to get those velocities, quite safely, from the Hornet. Nor do I think you're wrong, necessarily.
Factory-type velocities of 2500-2600 for 45gn bullets would float my boat a lot more than trying to turn it into a .223. I've read tests which suggest many factory brands don't make much more than 2000fps with 45gn bullets.
I'm afraid I am not into super-fast bullets that blow up -I prefer to leave 2 holes in everything (1 in, 1 out) and if I balls up, I've usually got a good blood trail to follow.
Not convinced a 35gn VMax at > 3000 would give me that. I'm probably just being old-school.
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