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22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Longshanx » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:41 pm

Hi all,
Do you have to use a different type of ammo for rabbits / pigeon. For target shooting I use jacketed rounds as it is a cleaner round over none jacketed, especially when you are firing about 200 rounds down the range.
I was told by someone that these would be no good for game and I should use none jacketed hollow points?
Rabbit wise I thought yeah as I'd just be clearing the land. Pigeon wise I'd like to keep the breast and didn't want to destroy the meat.
Any views on this?
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Shootist » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:44 pm

I am unaware of any jacketed ammunition for .22lr on the market. What you may mean is the coper washed ammunition available, usually high velocity which I personally regard as pointless in the UK for hunting. Fine for target, especially in semi autos, but who needs the extra noise, the reduced accuracy, and the greater problem it has with the wind?

Expanding ammunition for .22lr subsonic is something I have always had my doubts about in respect of expansion at least. I've had it shoot through rabbits on quite a few occassions and if you consider the millions of rabbits shot with .22lr before the latest all singing all dancing hollow points, well /I doubt you'll hear any complaints from the rabbits. Shot placement with an accurate rifle is what's needed for live quarry. Find a hollow point subsonic round that suits your rifle for accuracy and stick with it. I suspect you'll need a lot of practice to shoot pigeons with a .22lr without spoiling the breast.

As for different rounds being cleaner, all the clag in the action is from the powder. Don't worry about it, other than perhaps a pull through to get rid of the grot in the barrel at the end of a day's shooting. (cleaning the action is another issue and is more important on semi autos, which will clog up quickly if you're using a sound moderator. My first powder burner was a CZ Style .22lr which I will own. It gets cleaned about once a year whether it needs it or not and will still out shoot all but the bench rest types.
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Longshanx » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:50 am

Shootist wrote:I am unaware of any jacketed ammunition for .22lr on the market. What you may mean is the coper washed ammunition available, usually high velocity which I personally regard as pointless in the UK for hunting. Fine for target, especially in semi autos, but who needs the extra noise, the reduced accuracy, and the greater problem it has with the wind?

Expanding ammunition for .22lr subsonic is something I have always had my doubts about in respect of expansion at least. I've had it shoot through rabbits on quite a few occassions and if you consider the millions of rabbits shot with .22lr before the latest all singing all dancing hollow points, well /I doubt you'll hear any complaints from the rabbits. Shot placement with an accurate rifle is what's needed for live quarry. Find a hollow point subsonic round that suits your rifle for accuracy and stick with it. I suspect you'll need a lot of practice to shoot pigeons with a .22lr without spoiling the breast.

As for different rounds being cleaner, all the clag in the action is from the powder. Don't worry about it, other than perhaps a pull through to get rid of the grot in the barrel at the end of a day's shooting. (cleaning the action is another issue and is more important on semi autos, which will clog up quickly if you're using a sound moderator. My first powder burner was a CZ Style .22lr which I will own. It gets cleaned about once a year whether it needs it or not and will still out shoot all but the bench rest types.

Thanks shootist for the advice.
Yeah sorry for the confusion about jacketed. Yeah they are copper coated rounds. I use a boar snake after my shots to get rid of any gunk in the barrel and a small rod for the mod. My rifle is a synthetic CZ bolt action with a 3x9x50 hawke scope.
Have you any preference on gun oil?
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Shootist » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:19 am

I use a bore snake for rimfire. I have removed the wire brush as I don't think it's necessary, possibly even counterproductive. As far as gun oil is concerned, not WD40 or silicone based. Other than that whatever you prefer. Mobil 1 is well thought of in the US. Yep! car engine oil. Consider what it has to put up with in a car engine, heat, friction, the lot. Just don't over-oil.
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Longshanx » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:32 am

Shootist wrote:I use a bore snake for rimfire. I have removed the wire brush as I don't think it's necessary, possibly even counterproductive. As far as gun oil is concerned, not WD40 or silicone based. Other than that whatever you prefer. Mobil 1 is well thought of in the US. Yep! car engine oil. Consider what it has to put up with in a car engine, heat, friction, the lot. Just don't over-oil.


Engine oil?? Really?? Lol!! That's a first! You winding me up? Haha!!
Suppose your right in a way a car engine has to put up with a lot!
Not going to use it thought, I'll stick with what I've got, always does the job at hand.
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby flintlok » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:40 pm

Nope, we do use synthetic oils such as Mobil 1 engine oil in the US however most folks who go that route prefer transmission fluid. Those oils tend not to dried out leaving gummy residues, they have antioxidants to keep the stable and degradation free, the stay where you put them on a rifle and will migrate to form an even coating. They're qualify as decent gun oils where WD does not at all and never will. Personally I use Nye Oil. It comes in little 4 ounce bottles. It's also a synthetic oil and it's essentially transmission fluid. Whatever you use, buy gun oil, the other crap may be a penetrate but will typically volatilized off of the metal over time or may be recycled oil high in chlorides and acid number that in the end will corrode steel such as the crap Starret oil that I used one and found I had rusted barrels whichI had to replace. To make a long story short, buy a good gun oil.
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Longshanx » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:31 pm

flintlok wrote:Nope, we do use synthetic oils such as Mobil 1 engine oil in the US however most folks who go that route prefer transmission fluid. Those oils tend not to dried out leaving gummy residues, they have antioxidants to keep the stable and degradation free, the stay where you put them on a rifle and will migrate to form an even coating. They're qualify as decent gun oils where WD does not at all and never will. Personally I use Nye Oil. It comes in little 4 ounce bottles. It's also a synthetic oil and it's essentially transmission fluid. Whatever you use, buy gun oil, the other crap may be a penetrate but will typically volatilized off of the metal over time or may be recycled oil high in chlorides and acid number that in the end will corrode steel such as the crap Starret oil that I used one and found I had rusted barrels whichI had to replace. To make a long story short, buy a good gun oil.


:thup: will have to look in the safe to tell you what I have can't remember the name of it, but it's decent stuff.
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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

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Re: 22lr ammo for rabbits & pigeon?

Postby Deallad » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:24 pm

I use the Winchester 42 max 22lr for general pest control nice and quiet on bunnies.

For pigeons and grey squirrels in trees the cci quiet is great very low powered, says on the box 750 fps though I get less out of my cz455 it's accurate too.

If I need to ramp it up a bit cci mini mag is a great round

As for cleaning rod, jag patch bronze brush hopes bore solvent does the biz.

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