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Which rimfire?

Postby melg4yng » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:38 pm

After years of using full bore I've now found the need for short range pest control.
I've applied for .22 rimfire but no experience of it. Any suggestions as to rifles and ammo, .22lr, WMR etc before I buy something stupid?
All suggestions and advice appreciated.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby shotgun sam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:43 pm

cz452, cz455 or brno model2 all very accurate and can be picked up for good prices also get a moderator as part of your variation.
All 3 models mentioned above are not ammo fussy.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Bushdog » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:31 am

+1 on above suggestions. Excellent value for money. If you want ultimate accuracy in a rim-fire, probably look at Anschutz, but will cost more, and may not return sufficient improvement for short-range pest control to justify the additional cost.
I wouldn't worry about WMR if you already have a centrefire small-bore - it does offer some increase in range, but at expense of ammo cost and potentially accuracy issues (or more correctly, ammo preference issues). You could also consider .17 HMR, but again ammo cost and recent deterioration in ammo quality might be an issue.
For me, I have a CZ 455 in .22 Long Rifle (with mod.) and a CZ 452 in .17HMR which are both accurate enough.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby melg4yng » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:10 am

Thanks very much for the suggestions. I'll take notice of that. I've got my renewal in with variation (plus mod) but won't get the certificate back until early November, according to the FEO, so have a bit of time to look around. I already have .223, .243 and .270 and thought the WMR was probably unnecessary so it looks like Long Rifle is the way to go. Whichever of the recommended makes are available at the time.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Shootist » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:46 am

There is always a question on .22lr, that of CZ or Anschutz. Here's the answer. Buy an Anschutz, or for the same money, buy a CZ, a decent scope, a gun bag, and a brick of ammo. The accuracy will be the same.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Bushdog » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:58 pm

Actually, speaking as a CZ shooter, I suspect I do see slightly more consistent, tighter groups from some Anschutz's in our club (we regularly hold 100yd shoots with .22 rfs and have an ongoing aggregate competitions based on 100yd groups). Probably not enough difference to affect performance in the field (for the cost difference), but maybe enough to win the matches. Obviously ammo selection and preparation is also key.
So I would say if you really care about accuracy, the Anschutz may assist a little, assuming you are prepared to do all the ammo testing/batching, etc.
Having said that, I am more than happy with my CZ455! :thup:
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Buffy Vampire Slayer » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:00 am

so here's another.weihrauch hw60.
before I bought mine,I tried/handled every brand I could get my hands on and the thing that won it for me was the trigger,anshutz was good also.
it is the best trigger in any gun I own with the mk4 rapid running it a close second and the timney in my .308 third.
it is also a tack driver with the 22" barrel.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Deallad » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:29 pm

Being one that sometimes throws the spanner in the works I would like to suggest the CZ455

Reason being.

It is a multi calibre platform 17hmr 22lr 22wmr change barrels and mags

The 17hmr flat and great out to about 150 yards
The 22wmr great choice of bullet weights great for fox
The 22lr subsonic quiet with sound mod

I like the CZ455 platform so much I bought another, keeping one as a dedicated 22 lr and the other switches between 17hmr and 22wmr. Though spends most of its life with the WMR barrel attached

Regarding ammo,

in 17hmr I use Gamepoint 20gn
22lr Fiocchi subs or Winchester subs
22wmr hornaday 32gn a-max of Frederal 50gn hp

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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Hornet 6 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:55 am

Deallad wrote:Being one that sometimes throws the spanner in the works I would like to suggest the CZ455

Reason being.

It is a multi calibre platform 17hmr 22lr 22wmr change barrels and mags

The 17hmr flat and great out to about 150 yards
The 22wmr great choice of bullet weights great for fox
The 22lr subsonic quiet with sound mod

I like the CZ455 platform so much I bought another, keeping one as a dedicated 22 lr and the other switches between 17hmr and 22wmr. Though spends most of its life with the WMR barrel attached

Regarding ammo,

in 17hmr I use Gamepoint 20gn
22lr Fiocchi subs or Winchester subs
22wmr hornaday 32gn a-max of Frederal 50gn hp

Mike


Why buy the made down to a price 455 when there are still a few 452's out there ?

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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Les1066 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:14 pm

The CZ453 is well worth buying, too. It's every bit as accurate as the 452, with the bonus of a set trigger. They're not easy to find, though.
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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Deallad » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:31 pm

I disagree that the 455 is a down graded 452

the CZ455' and 452 as they are almost identical but with the option of changing barrel, both mags are the same and I like the heavier free floating barrel.

Plus nearly all 452's out there are used and I bought my 455;s new I also like the thumbhole and evolution stocks which are not made for the 452

The latest 455 even has a fluted barrel that looks superb

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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Hornet 6 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:05 am

Deallad wrote:I disagree that the 455 is a down graded 452


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Your more than welcome to your opinion, even if its wrong.
You only need look as far as barrel held by 3 grub screws, and only one locking lug to see the truth.
New 452's are still about if you look, as are 453's with the set trigger if that's what you want.
Just looking at all the negative posts on 455's on usa forums with the accuracy problems, barrels coming loose etc is all I need to know about them.

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Re: Which rimfire?

Postby Bushdog » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:09 am

I've got a 452 in .17HMR and a 455 in .22LR. Not noticed much to choose between them if I am honest. I like them both very well, and with the right ammo, they are both extremely accurate. I still think that at extended ranges in a .22 LR, better accuracy can be had with an Anschutz.
I have seen groups put in by friends with Anschutz rifles at 100yds, and they are better than I have been able to produce with my CZ .22 so far, albeit I have not expended as much energy in ammunition selection and testing. However, as I said before, in a field setting shooting rabbits etc, possibly with subsonics and hollow points, there is unlikely to be any noticeable difference between a CZ and an Anschutz
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